Продолжение дискуссии, часть 6.
BDB
Well, I do
not know about braking a string by smacking the key, but I certainly can break
a string that way. I am pleased that in my career, I have broken a lot more
strings than the artists have
Monaco
And these
strings broke while sounding the note or turning the pin?
JohnSprung
Originally
Posted By: BDB
The newest
piano is 5 years old. I am not the only one who breaks strings on it. That is
about par for heavily used concert pianos.
Do you keep
a supply of the wrapped bass strings? Or is it mostly the plain wire ones that
break?
BDB
It is mostly the plain wire strings in the top section that break. Universal
strings are not long enough for more than 7' grands, so I am glad that they do
not break so often.
They break when I am sounding the note, always at the capo bar. That is where
the fatigue is.
rxd
Originally
Posted By: BDB
Well, I do
not know about braking a string by smacking the key, but I certainly can break
a string that way. I am pleased that in my career, I have broken a lot more
strings than the artists have.
I am
entertaining the distinct possibility that you are kidding us.
You have given us so many intelligent insights, I find it hard to believe that
you would fall into this trap.
BDB
It is
better to break a string before the show than to have it break in the middle of
the show.
rxd
Loc: London, England
Originally
Posted By: BDB
It is
better to break a string before the show than to have it break in the middle of
the show.
is it?
BDB
From the
audience's point of view, certainly. Especially if there is nobody there to fix
it. I am tuning and leaving for tonight's show.
rxd
Originally
Posted By: BDB
From the
audience's point of view, certainly. Especially if there is nobody there to fix
it. I am tuning and leaving for tonight's show.
It's just
that I have some pianos whose stringing is a bit old for concert work plus some
really vulgar "Artists" and I don't have that problem. I don't break
strings, nor do they.
Perhaps it's being close to the Bay
How do you deal with unstable new strings if you're not there?
BDB
Most of the
pianos where I am the sole tuner do not have problems with breaking strings.
One of them, the one I am tuning Wednesday, did, but it seems to have
stabilized in recent years and does not break them as much. But none of them
get as much playing as the concert reserve instruments, which are played often
and hard. The person in charge of the pianos at Stanford University,
where I have never tuned, told me that they have their concert grands restrung
every 10 years.
Most of the instability of new strings comes from installing them incorrectly.
If everything is tightened up at installation, the only thing left is
stretching, and that is slow enough that it will not be noticeable for many hours,
particularly since these are very high notes.
DoelKees
Originally
Posted By: Maximillyan
Thanks
Kees,but I think the rush is not necessary, to avoid errors and the quality was
not affected
The point
is you can get the same results in 1/4 of the time.
Regarding the video you posted, you tuned the piano 30 cents flat (relative to
A=440). Can you explain why you did that?
Cheers,
Kees
Maximillyan
Originally
Posted By: DoelKees
[quote=Maximillyan]
Regarding the video you posted, you tuned the piano 30 cents flat (relative to
A=440). Can you explain why you did that?
Cheers,
Kees
Dear Kees ,
are you sure you correctly identified the general system the piano on my video.
Why so? I usually have settings piano's practice where resources are partially
or completely exhausted itself. In the video, "Belarus" in 1959. Its no one
ever tuning up. After removing the dust and removing small defects the hammer's
mechanism, I checked the digital tuning system. I have found that 75% below the
standard sounds more than a semitone. (In the beginning of the video I play a
4-octave section). Some notes are all the same is true for near 30sen below. I
decided to do temperament the basis of these sounds. I know that when picked up
by building more halftones can break string. I am unable to buy new
strings.Nobody it sale in our town. So, what I'm doing rather is technical
routine operation, but the "art of resurrection from obscurity".
Sincerely,maxim_tuner_bodger
Maximillyan
Today I'm
shot clip about T-bar. Sorry, I does not speak conversational English. I hope
that the chronicle will be available in the understanding of the benefits
Universal T-bar .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K125i_WBqw
Sincerely, maxim_tuner_bodger
Mark R.
Originally
Posted By: Monaco
Mark,
Do you use an ETD?
Depends
what for. I don't even own an ETD, but have borrowed a friend's chromatic tuner
sometimes, to evaluate exactly how flat a piano is before and after a pitch
raise. As a beginner, I'm still very careful with overpull. I rather pull up to
A440 in several passes.
But my actual tuning is by ear only. The ETD was only for measuring
"before and after", to learn about the effects of a pitch raise.
Why do you ask?
Monaco
Because an
ETD will speed up your times tremendously, especially for pitch raises. Most
(all?) good ETD's will calculate the amount of overpull needed so you only have
to do one quick pass where you just get the note close. Then you are ready to
do a final tuning on the next pass. I can easily do a pitch raise in 40
minutes, sometimes a little less. I have heard of people who can do it in 20.
I am sure that if I was to try to tune strictly by ear, as you do, my times
would be much more in line with yours. On the other hand, if you use an ETD, I
would bet that your times would be much more in line with min. Also, I can
guarantee that my work, if not dead on, is very close to being correct
(assuming I can set a pin and tune solid unisons - both of which are getting
better all the time - one of the reasons I consider myself a
"beginner").
If money is a serious consideration, as it was for me, I suggest Tunelabs. It's
$300 and goes on (almost?) any iOS device. I purchased a used iTouch off ebay
for $140. Total = $440 as opposed to some of the other options that can be as
much as $1400. Plus, now I have an iTouch, which is nice.
Mark R.
Thanks,
Ben.
Pin-setting and unisons are exactly what takes time for me - I'm not sure how
much time an ETD would save me there.
In fact, I don't even know what "iOS" stands for... My mobile is for
making calls and sending short messages - but I'll keep these things in mind.
Maximillyan
Originally
Posted By: Monaco
I can
easily do a pitch raise in 40 minutes, sometimes a little less. I have heard of
people who can do it in 20.
I'm sorry
friends, but I think the main success and basic instructions to tuning the use
ear's of audition. The digital tuner is an aid Tuner. If the tuner can not hear
a clean 8, 4 and 5 , it is impossible to talk about temperament. Deadline
temperament to be as long as necessary to configure each individual piano
Regards for your forum. maxim_tuner_bodger
Maximillyan
Originally
Posted By: Johnkie
This guy
cannot tune, and more importantly .... is in serious danger of snapping
wrestpins the way he flagpoles them with his T bar socket set "tuning
hammer" !
The time
will judge us
maxim_tuner_bodger
UnrightTooner
Originally
Posted By: Maximillyan
Originally
Posted By: Johnkie
This guy
cannot tune, and more importantly .... is in serious danger of snapping
wrestpins the way he flagpoles them with his T bar socket set "tuning
hammer" !
The time
will judge us
maxim_tuner_bodger
Max:
I no longer think that better equipment will help you. I think that you are "A
Legend in Your Own Mind.” It is good that you satisfy your customers, but I no
longer think that we can help you.
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